Ontario Cup 2010 - Ontario Summer Games

[11players]

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by 11players on Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:21 pm

Here is the list of the Host Clubs for this years Ontario Cup Round Robin .

1) Ajax SC
2) Aurora SC
3) Barrie SC
4) Brams United SC
5) St Catharines SC
6)Ottawa South United SC
7)West Rouge SC
8) Windsor

All knockout games will be played in Sudbury during the Ontario Summer Games .August 10 -13th

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by Witbee on Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:33 pm

Ontario Summer Games are looking for province wide representation at the games so the team draw will have a regional focus. This means there will a number of so called " Group's of Death" and subsequently a number of group draw's that will see a team moving on that may not have won their group in a normal round. May lead to some lopsided scores at the Ontario Games.

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by Martin on Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:07 pm

50% for the hosts are from the GTA,and one (Barrie) really isn't that far. All in all this is fair.

Personally, I always liked the adventure of travelling to different places for the OC tournament round. The Sault and Ottawa can be such nice places to visit.

Lastly, this discussion really should take place in a specific OC thread. Perhaps someone might want to start one up. I nominate............11P!!!

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by Witbee on Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:40 pm

11players wrote:
Witbee are you saying the draw will be fixed Regardless... if you look at the Host Clubs the majority of teams will still be out of the GTA .

I agree the OC needs a thread of its own, this discussion is only going to heat up from here on.
As for it being fixed no, but by having a regional bias there is a higher probabilty of having a team from that region making it to the quarters than in the past. As compared to the traditional seeding of each group with a OYSL team which is the norm. The GTA hosts will simply have a higher concentration of top teams in each group diminishing the chance of a lower ranked team pulling off a upset. Theoretically competition could be tougher for some in the first round then the quarters or semi's.In the end the two top teams will meet in the finals just one might have a easier trip than the other.

[Soccer 19]

by Martin on Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:07 pm

50% for the hosts are from the GTA,and one (Barrie) really isn't that far. All in all this is fair.

Personally, I always liked the adventure of travelling to different places for the OC tournament round. The Sault and Ottawa can be such nice places to visit.

Lastly, this discussion really should take place in a specific OC thread. Perhaps someone might want to start one up. I nominate............11P!!!

Moved over from the OYSL thread.

I too agree with Martin and will say even further that if you want to be involved in the OC that you cannot put in for travel restrictions. The Ottawa area over the past few years has hosted and I have noticed no travel from any of the local clubs. Same goes for the soutwestern ontario region. The year my team one it at U13 we went to the Sooooo and thoroughly enjoyed our stay as well as the area and all it had to offer. Our next round was in Kanata.


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[4theKidz]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying when "no travel from local clubs". Nepean 94's were in Brampton for Cup quarter finals (as host team go figure, as the OYSL would not allow the Sunday away game vs London to be rescheduled) then the Soooooooo (because it is that far away) for the semi's.

Hopefully I misunderstand your words, as not only was an Ottawa team in the Sooo for the semi's but held a home game (with Brams refs at that) in TO.

Travel we do

[Sixer]

[quote="Soccer 19I too agree with Martin and will say even further that if you want to be involved in the OC that you cannot put in for travel restrictions. The Ottawa area over the past few years has hosted and I have noticed no travel from any of the local clubs. Same goes for the soutwestern ontario region. The year my team one it at U13 we went to the Sooooo and thoroughly enjoyed our stay as well as the area and all it had to offer. Our next round was in Kanata.
19[/quote]

Huh? Last year in the 95 age group Goulbourn was in Mississauga, OSU in Aurora, Kanata and Belleville x 2 in Scarborough and CapU in Sudbury. I would say that is travel.

[Sponge]

No travel, are you kidding me? CapU visited the big nickel this past summer and it wasn't for a family vacation...

[11players]

IMHO , you want to add some spice to the OC , have 1 host city for each round instead of 8 -9 ( and 90% of teams then travel ) . Just like the Ontario summer games in one host city . I am sure we can get 30 - 40 teams in one host city in a weekend . Every age group in a different city ,different weekend .It would create many benefits to the game and to the local communities .

You then would have a true 1st class Event .

[FormerSoccerCoach]

What are the Summer games anyways

[11players]

What are the Summer games anyways

Here you go

http://www.2010ontariosummergames.ca/index.html

[kids1st]

IMHO , you want to add some spice to the OC , have 1 host city for each round instead of 8 -9 ( and 90% of teams then travel ) . Just like the Ontario summer games in one host city . I am sure we can get 30 - 40 teams in one host city in a weekend . Every age group in a different city ,different weekend .It would create many benefits to the game and to the local communities .

You then would have a true 1st class Event .

What an excellent concept that can make an already good tournament even better. Imagine the atmosphere created when 40 teams of the same age and gender gather together at the same place at the same time.

Good idea 11P.

Now just add to that one more round in the knockout stages so the top 2 from each group can advance (just like that other world class tournament that will be going on somewhere in Africa this summer ) and you have yourself a near perfect tournament that will truly live up to its name.

[Martin]

While I genuinely like the idea, the reality is.............I don't think it could happen.

Reality is there are very few municipalities who have the facilities to support a tournament round involving potentially 40+ teams in just one age group. Then you have to consider all of the other age groups, not to mention the other side of the gender divide.

I doubt even Toronto could pull it off, or Ottawa, or Oakville, or, or, or.

There is a reason why the OC is structured and organized the way it is.

[northernlad]

Shame really! A tournament like this could really bring in some revenue to communities like the Soo and Kenora...............
Don't want to be the naysayer, but staging the tournament in groups by Region does help keep the travel budgets under some control. If there's interest in making more of a particular weekend, how about a second (mid-season) weekend where all OYSL teams square off?

[kids1st]

Martin .. only 7 host clubs would be needed per gender (U12 - U18) .. not that far fetched. The drawback, as alluded to by northernlad, is that the games would be awarded to the larger communities, and many of the smaller clubs would not be able to accomodate 40 teams at the same time.

But where there's a will there's a way! ... and the smaller neighbouring clubs could submit co-host bids, like the recent Swiss/Austria FIFA tournament.

BTW, potential travel - and the suspense of the draw - adds to the appeal of the tournament (IMO).
Except when ThunderBay is involved (no offense to the Thunderbirds).

19 .. we need your positive energy!

Live large and enjoy life! What a beautiful day!

[11players]

Martin I have to disagree , many Clubs pull off tourneys with over 300 teams in a weekend . So to get 40 teams in city or small centre should be a no brainer .

[Martin]

Martin I have to disagree , many Clubs pull off tourneys with over 300 teams in a weekend . So to get 40 teams in city or small centre should be a no brainer .

I1P, name me a club that hosts a tournament that hosts over 300 teams?

The entire Scarborough Soccer Association only attracted 200 teams to the 2009 Robbie. (120 boys teams and 80 girls).

It is not getting 40 teams from one age group into a locality, it is having to do it multiple times for ALL of the age groups.

[Martin]

Martin .. only 7 host clubs would be needed per gender (U12 - U18) .. not that far fetched. The drawback, as alluded to by northernlad, is that the games would be awarded to the larger communities, and many of the smaller clubs would not be able to accomodate 40 teams at the same time.

14 hosts in total, plus don't forget the OC for the non-youth leagues. It goes on and on.

So, name me 14 clubs with access to sufficient facilities to pull this off?

The OC is larger than the USA Cup which has access to 60+ fields (all in one location) and sees the tournament drag on for a week.

The reality is if you want it to be a BIG tournament weekend the OC, at least in the early rounds, will only ever be held in Toronto. And as you said, that is not fair to the rest of the province.