1998 - U12 Teams

[manalone]

Settle down. I'm not trying to be the good guy I'm just stating my opinions. Think logically for a second, why would someone purposely list an illegal player on the game sheet?

The way the laws are worded, its very easy to skip parts of them.

D. A player registered to a club after July 1 will not be eligible to play in a CSL Game as a registered player, trial player or call up.

E. ANY Player added to an OSA Roster after August 1 is not eligible for CSL Competition.

If someone was skimming through all the rules, is it not possible that part E caught their eye while bypassing part D?

I just look at the facts, make sense of it, and try to draw my own conclusions. If they tried to cheat, well someone should teach them how to cheat better cause this would be a very lousy attempt at cheating.

In conclusion, I genuinely believe that Woodbridge made a mistake and registered a boy to their team believing August 1st was the deadline.

With all due respect, Wex, my opinion is that what you just posted is BS! Quite clearly, you are trying to act like others are jealous and you are not. Which is the essence of your comment about not being in the YRSL.

This is NOT the first time this Woodbridge team has fielded an ineligible player. We are not talking about a bunch of new team officials here who stumbled over wording. The officials on Woodbridge A have been around for quite some time.

More importantly, they did this the first time against another team from their club and were disciplined. They tried it AGAIN this time and got busted. PERIOD.

You can dance around with fine words all you want but no one is going to be fooled by the attempted sophistry of A1 trying to blame the CSL or you trying to blame the wording of the rules.

As for someone bring the poor kid into the centre of a storm, the blame should be laid SQUARELY on the shoulders of the Woodbridge team officials. Maybe one day the Woodbridge Club will see that their name is being brought into disrepute REPEATEDLY.

On a personal note, I am totally disgusted that you who was so steadfast in your condemnation of a youth for walking on to a soccer field is so intent now on explaining away the preconceived actions of experienced and older officials.

I wish your team luck in their fight but please enough of this crying about how they will be adversely affected by the forfeit points. I did not hear you crying ONCE when Spartacus was about to be docked because THEN you thought it would work in your FAVOUR.

[wexford98coach]

I wish your team luck in their fight but please enough of this crying about how they will be adversely affected by the forfeit points. I did not hear you crying ONCE when Spartacus was about to be docked because THEN you thought it would work in your FAVOUR.

Spare me this BS manalone. Never did I cry about either. In the spartacus case, I only pointed out what I thought the outcome would be and I was right. Considering Ajax was leading 2-0 in that game when the game was haulted, I didn't mention anything about it affecting the league table in any way.

No where did I say woodbridge didn't deserve to lose the three points. I was simply stating that Woodbridge isn't really being punished by this as they've cemented their spot in the middle of the pack.

They may have a history of this, but the evidence suggests one of two things

a) they really made an honest mistake
or
b) they are really really dumb at trying to cheat

You suggest that they are expert cheaters who have done this before. If that was the case, I'd expect a better effort on their part.

How can you compare an administrative goof up to a 21 year old attacking a 12 year old?

[wexford98coach]

Look guys, I didn't intend for my opinions to cause such rage among you two. I'm looking at this objectively and there are a few more points I want to point out to support my argument.

- Up until last year, the deadline was July 31st in the CSL
- all of us were not in the CSL last year, so whatever previous experience we have in the CSL would have been when the deadline was July 31st
- Woodbridge has a run of good results as of late and it doesn't appear that this boy made a huge difference
- without the new boy, they only lost two of their last 7 games, to richmond hill and west toronto by scores of 2-1

If anything, everyone is ready to throw the book at woodbridge without hearing out their explanation.

If there is any evidence to suggest that this was a deliberate attempt to cheat, believe me guys, I would be on your wagon bashing Woodbridge for their actions.

[manalone]

Wexford,

How do you go from this:

I'm not happy about Ajax getting those last three points but you can't blame Ajax for their fortunes. I'm extremely disappointed in Woodbridge for allowing this to happen and I hope the punishment is more than just losing the three points. The big winner is Ajax in this decision. The loser is not Woodbridge, it's Whitby and Wexford.
I guess we'll just have to beat Richmond Hill and West Toronto to make up these points

I like fimisile's idea. I doubt the league will go that far

To this:

How can you compare an administrative goof up to a 21 year old attacking a 12 year old?

Did someone give you a thorough explanation of how this was an administrative goof up and nothing else? Very interesting.

No one here deducted points from Woodbridge. The CSL did after considering some facts. So please enough with the "jumping on a woodbridge-bashing bandwagon".

And you are damn right the losers are Wexford and Whitby. This is not a position you voiced at any time when the axe was about to descend on Spartacus. So you help make my point. You are concerned NOW because the accumulation of forfeit points is now hurting not just Spartacus but Wexford as well. That is not a principled position. I am sorry to say.

[manalone]

Look guys, I didn't intend for my opinions to cause such rage among you two. I'm looking at this objectively and there are a few more points I want to point out to support my argument.

Wexford, this is not about rage and do not insinuate that you are being objective and others are not.

The point and the focus is simple: WOODBRIDGE. They made their bed, they are being held accountable. Do not change the channel by suggesting that others hate them or are bashing them or are jealous of them.

When the focus was on Spartacus, it was not jealousy or hate. Spartacus manned up and took the knocks. The kid involved was asked respectfully not to show up at future games. When it was on Ajax it was not jealousy or hate. Ajax took responsibility and from reports it appears that things changed for the better.

Woodbridge should step to the plate. You cannot advocate for them any more or less than someone else can prosecute them. 'Nuff said, my friend.

[spursfan4me]

Let me also add, Frenchman, that this outcome only ensures that Woodbridge will not catch Richmond Hill in the standings. However, with Ajax gaining another free 3 points, this affects the race to avoid relegation. If anyone should be emotional about this, its spursfan and I. So if we can view this logically, surely you can too.... sans emotion!

I am very emotional but I am trying to suppress it,to be honest with you,if I was in Ajax's boots,I would not feel very comfortable at all,earning 1 point legitimately,I would not feel comfortable in Woodbridge's boots,getting docked only 3 points,it should have been harsher,but what are we going to do,I will tell you,talk to the WT coaches and ask them about Thursday night,what a game,they might say they played poorly but Whitby pressured them all night and were very very unfortunate not to score the first goal on a few occasions.Whitby should have done this before but there were 5 personnel changes and the only thing Whitby didnt get was the result,the tall boy,not sure of number because I didn't see his back all night as he was always behind the ball, got a great header with about 15 minutes left in the game,and was a force in the back,definitely without him,the result would have been in Whitby's favour,what a talent he is,TFC has to be looking at him already,and 12 years old,amazing,he played like a man,Wex,we're gonna beat Ajax 3 times,and Woodbridge will be dealt with and we will remain at level 3,both of us,what was that,darn alarm clock,waking me up again.

[speakthetruth]

I wish your team luck in their fight but please enough of this crying about how they will be adversely affected by the forfeit points. I did not hear you crying ONCE when Spartacus was about to be docked because THEN you thought it would work in your FAVOUR.

Spare me this BS manalone. Never did I cry about either. In the spartacus case, I only pointed out what I thought the outcome would be and I was right. Considering Ajax was leading 2-0 in that game when the game was haulted, I didn't mention anything about it affecting the league table in any way.

No where did I say woodbridge didn't deserve to lose the three points. I was simply stating that Woodbridge isn't really being punished by this as they've cemented their spot in the middle of the pack.

They may have a history of this, but the evidence suggests one of two things

a) they really made an honest mistake
or
b) they are really really dumb at trying to cheat

You suggest that they are expert cheaters who have done this before. If that was the case, I'd expect a better effort on their part.

How can you compare an administrative goof up to a 21 year old attacking a 12 year old?

The answer is B.
Twice they have tried, twice they they have been caught. Coach has 20 years of experience, the manager/asst. coach is the director of officiating for Woodbridge (lets leave that for another post) and not one of the two can read the rules & regulations? I just want to know as to how much more BS and bullying the Woodbridge parents need to endure from the coaches before they get up and leave. The WA kids played hard to earn a win against Ajax just to have it taken away because of the team official's incompetence. As a parent, I would be furious. Its time to get their heads out of the coach's A@# and see the light. Leave the team now, get relegated and embarrass him as he has done to the kids and parents of this team.

[football 4 ever]

Let me also add, Frenchman, that this outcome only ensures that Woodbridge will not catch Richmond Hill in the standings. However, with Ajax gaining another free 3 points, this affects the race to avoid relegation. If anyone should be emotional about this, its spursfan and I. So if we can view this logically, surely you can too.... sans emotion!

I agree Wex the posts that are logical and rational with out the name calling, put downs, emotions etc are what this forum should be about.

A question for you Wex being a coach ( and any other coaches on here) would you be willing to take a player who's father was on here inciting others? It is hard enough trying to win games at a high level with out the other team being all riled up and extra ready for battle. I remember my days back home when ever we played a team with the parents that went beyond the "lines" with comments that incited various negative feelings we played extra hard to win. As we got older it was not beyond us to take the matter in our own hands with the child of those parents. Lets just say they got treated a little more physical. Our coach would also use that as part of his pre game talk, things such as you know what that guy has been saying about your team and there are several ways to shut them up. I know if my father was the one whose actions were causing strong negative emotions in others I would be ashamed and embarrased. As a parent I don't want those types of parents on my sidelines just wondering from a coach's perspective how you feel about having that type of parent on your team.

[FrenchMan]

football 4 ever, you wrote:

A question for you Wex being a coach ( and any other coaches on here) would you be willing to take a player who's father was on here inciting others?

Ask the WA coach what would his answer be. You may then be desappointed.

You also said:

As a parent I don't want those types of parents on my sidelines just wondering from a coach's perspective how you feel about having that type of parent on your team.

For sure, that type of parents is pitying you for having no pride that makes you to just hide and keep quiet and just continue undergoing the only way you know, obviously. "Tell me who your friends are, I tell you who you are". Another way to say it would be "Birds of a feather flock together". You really have long way to go and you don't seem to understand that your situation is really sad. A1, if you knew that word "shame", the only person you should be ashamed the actions of is your coaching staff. Ask them not to feed the machine that will denounce their misbehaviour, and everybody would like to get along with everybody. Nobody here went to fabricate the issue. But, of course, Yesterday, it was the fault of the CSL. Today, it's Frenchman and everybody who raised the issue's fault. Sorry, our apologies.

You also said:

I know if my father was the one whose actions were causing strong negative emotions in others I would be ashamed and embarrased.

Not necessarily. If your father raised you in a way that you just undergo with everything in your life, then yes. However, if he raised you in a way that you learn from him how to stand up for your rights without having hard feelings, you would in contrary be proud of him. You see, everything depends on the angle of your perspectives and, most important, on how close to you your father was for both you to build a strong relationship (if you ever had a chance to build any). That, I have no control on that for you. But, probably you' were talking about the actions of your WA coaching staff as parents and who triggered the emotions here in their attemps to cheat on everybody in the league. In which case, I'll tell you how right you are! It's sincerely a dishonor.

A1! Reading your posts, I can't help asking myself a question: Do you all, officials in Woodbridge, always go or try to go bellow the belt in order to reach your goals? I'm 100% sure the answer is a radical "NO". However, you and your similars are not helping people to feel and think that way.

You know what, the more you're pushing that matter, the more miserable you look and the more shame you're putting the Woodbridge club in. Seriously, you're not in the best position to talk here. If you had a little good sense of judgement (and I'm sincerely praying for that to be possible eventhough all the signs you're giving us here indicate the opposite), you should let it go. Me, personnally, I'd like not going further in this matter, for the respect of the Woodbridge club and the kids there. Unless I'm forced to do so. Believe me, I'm serious, very serious.
By the way, send my regards to the Woodbridge 94 boys.

[balljoint]

Hey guys I think we got the point. Some of you are Milking this way to much.
The CSL dealt with it. Lets move on to something else.

[balljoint]

Hey Wexfard you should focus more on your teams concerns and less on the gossip
page here on off the pitch. You should be getting them ready to go hard to the end concern yourself less with the he said she said. See if they can stay in lev 3 and keep you as the coach?
The u17 and 18 teams have two super great coaches and rumour has it that the club may be looking to put them down to one of the teams who are in lev 3.
At this point the only L3 teams in Wexford are u12 u14 ,u15. Have you heard anything?
I guess the Coach is last to know? I hear changes big ones are on the way in September. But until
it is in place they are only rumours. Good luck to your team.

[csc]

Dear spursfan4me,
Let me add some info to Thursday game WT-Whitby. You are absolutely right – what a game. Whitby gave their 100% effort knowing that they must win against a stronger opponent. On the other hand, WT gave their 15-20% effort knowing that they are playing against a weaker opponent and had to correct it in the last 15 min. You are right, Whitby was very unfortunate not to score, but the moment WT realized they have to turn things around and tighten their grip, the situation had changed immediately: a header by #13, a foul in 18 yard that was not called by ref, a goal from penalty kick in the span of 15 minutes... I guess it was enough to say that experience and skills were brought to the game right on time... As I previously told – WT boys had their own opinion about Whitby’s expected rebound...

Let me also add, Frenchman, that this outcome only ensures that Woodbridge will not catch Richmond Hill in the standings. However, with Ajax gaining another free 3 points, this affects the race to avoid relegation. If anyone should be emotional about this, its spursfan and I. So if we can view this logically, surely you can too.... sans emotion!

I am very emotional but I am trying to suppress it,to be honest with you,if I was in Ajax's boots,I would not feel very comfortable at all,earning 1 point legitimately,I would not feel comfortable in Woodbridge's boots,getting docked only 3 points,it should have been harsher,but what are we going to do,I will tell you,talk to the WT coaches and ask them about Thursday night,what a game,they might say they played poorly but Whitby pressured them all night and were very very unfortunate not to score the first goal on a few occasions.Whitby should have done this before but there were 5 personnel changes and the only thing Whitby didnt get was the result,the tall boy,not sure of number because I didn't see his back all night as he was always behind the ball, got a great header with about 15 minutes left in the game,and was a force in the back,definitely without him,the result would have been in Whitby's favour,what a talent he is,TFC has to be looking at him already,and 12 years old,amazing,he played like a man,Wex,we're gonna beat Ajax 3 times,and Woodbridge will be dealt with and we will remain at level 3,both of us,what was that,darn alarm clock,waking me up again.

[fimisile]

No where did I say woodbridge didn't deserve to lose the three points. I was simply stating that Woodbridge isn't really being punished by this as they've cemented their spot in the middle of the pack.

Their spot may be cemented but there are other potential penalties which may kick in other than the loss of points. I wonder when the disciplinary hearing is coming up.


Penalties Applicable as per CSL Disciplinary Rules:

To the club:

5.63 Played an ineligible player on one of its teams in a game. The Club's team will forfeit all of the games in which an ineligible player played and the Club is fined $500.00

To the team officials:

2.63 Played an ineligible or suspended player in a sanctioned game or permitted a suspended player who is suspended from all soccer related activity

First playing seasonal offence: 3-12 month suspension
Second playing seasonal offence: 1-3 year suspension
Third playing seasonal offence: 2-5 year suspension

[spursfan4me]

Dear spursfan4me,
Let me add some info to Thursday game WT-Whitby. You are absolutely right – what a game. Whitby gave their 100% effort knowing that they must win against a stronger opponent. On the other hand, WT gave their 15-20% effort knowing that they are playing against a weaker opponent and had to correct it in the last 15 min. You are right, Whitby was very unfortunate not to score, but the moment WT realized they have to turn things around and tighten their grip, the situation had changed immediately: a header by #13, a foul in 18 yard that was not called by ref, a goal from penalty kick in the span of 15 minutes... I guess it was enough to say that experience and skills were brought to the game right on time... As I previously told – WT boys had their own opinion about Whitby’s expected rebound...

Let me also add, Frenchman, that this outcome only ensures that Woodbridge will not catch Richmond Hill in the standings. However, with Ajax gaining another free 3 points, this affects the race to avoid relegation. If anyone should be emotional about this, its spursfan and I. So if we can view this logically, surely you can too.... sans emotion!

I am very emotional but I am trying to suppress it,to be honest with you,if I was in Ajax's boots,I would not feel very comfortable at all,earning 1 point legitimately,I would not feel comfortable in Woodbridge's boots,getting docked only 3 points,it should have been harsher,but what are we going to do,I will tell you,talk to the WT coaches and ask them about Thursday night,what a game,they might say they played poorly but Whitby pressured them all night and were very very unfortunate not to score the first goal on a few occasions.Whitby should have done this before but there were 5 personnel changes and the only thing Whitby didnt get was the result,the tall boy,not sure of number because I didn't see his back all night as he was always behind the ball, got a great header with about 15 minutes left in the game,and was a force in the back,definitely without him,the result would have been in Whitby's favour,what a talent he is,TFC has to be looking at him already,and 12 years old,amazing,he played like a man,Wex,we're gonna beat Ajax 3 times,and Woodbridge will be dealt with and we will remain at level 3,both of us,what was that,darn alarm clock,waking me up again.

[spursfan4me]

Dear spursfan4me,
Let me add some info to Thursday game WT-Whitby. You are absolutely right – what a game. Whitby gave their 100% effort knowing that they must win against a stronger opponent. On the other hand, WT gave their 15-20% effort knowing that they are playing against a weaker opponent and had to correct it in the last 15 min. You are right, Whitby was very unfortunate not to score, but the moment WT realized they have to turn things around and tighten their grip, the situation had changed immediately: a header by #13, a foul in 18 yard that was not called by ref, a goal from penalty kick in the span of 15 minutes... I guess it was enough to say that experience and skills were brought to the game right on time... As I previously told – WT boys had their own opinion about Whitby’s expected rebound...
I have to diasagree and agree with with you,Yes WT probably underestimated Whitby but they didnt know what hit them,they gave 100% all game,do u actually think the coaches would stand for anything less,if you think 15-20% of WT equals a 0-0 tie then you actually dont know what you are talking about,Whitby had many goalmouth scrambles that they should have punished WT but didnt and this was the difference as WT had a few chances near the end and did capitalize and this does come with experience,knowing how to win,so experience came in to play,but WT gave it there all the whole game not 15-20%,this seems like a comment coming from a spectator who has never been on the battlefield,because a player who is proud of himself gives 100% all the time,when you are pressured sometimes you are choked off and you cant perform the way you can,only somebody who has played at a high level would know that,good try though

Let me also add, Frenchman, that this outcome only ensures that Woodbridge will not catch Richmond Hill in the standings. However, with Ajax gaining another free 3 points, this affects the race to avoid relegation. If anyone should be emotional about this, its spursfan and I. So if we can view this logically, surely you can too.... sans emotion!

I am very emotional but I am trying to suppress it,to be honest with you,if I was in Ajax's boots,I would not feel very comfortable at all,earning 1 point legitimately,I would not feel comfortable in Woodbridge's boots,getting docked only 3 points,it should have been harsher,but what are we going to do,I will tell you,talk to the WT coaches and ask them about Thursday night,what a game,they might say they played poorly but Whitby pressured them all night and were very very unfortunate not to score the first goal on a few occasions.Whitby should have done this before but there were 5 personnel changes and the only thing Whitby didnt get was the result,the tall boy,not sure of number because I didn't see his back all night as he was always behind the ball, got a great header with about 15 minutes left in the game,and was a force in the back,definitely without him,the result would have been in Whitby's favour,what a talent he is,TFC has to be looking at him already,and 12 years old,amazing,he played like a man,Wex,we're gonna beat Ajax 3 times,and Woodbridge will be dealt with and we will remain at level 3,both of us,what was that,darn alarm clock,waking me up again.